James Tanner: Coyotes Lose, Tocchet Confounds

Couldn't agree more with that sentiment. The only thing I can think is that Chayka is telling him to play them more, hoping to trade them at or before the deadline. Reider has no future here, and while Marty is good on the PK, his type are a dime a dozen. I would be sort of ok with Rinaldo if we already didn't have Schenn as the thumper needed in case of shenanigans (or bring up Crouse and get rid of Rinaldo).

I only hope that soon, Merkeley is called up and takes one of their (8, 48 or 34) places and plays with Strome. I can see these lines and be happy:

Keller-Stepan-Perlini
Domi-Dvorak-DuClair
Fischer-Strome-Merkeley
Crouse-Richardson-Cousins/Marty

They still need a true 1C, but I am not sure one is out there to acquire. At this point, its all about fallin for Dahlin. Unless of course Edmonton misses the playoffs, because we know the league will rig it yet again so they have someone else to play with McJesus. Not that I'm bitter or anything...

James, you really might benefit from learning more about sports psychology, and psychology in general. The fact someone is a professional athlete doesn't make them immune to behaviorism.

You don't just hand a player anything based on potential, because it negatively effects their work ethic for the rest of their career, thinking they don't need to continue to fight for ice time. Additionally, players with high end NHL potential have seldom had to put much work into defending because of how much better they were than the opponent. The biggest thing they need to learn is how to use their offensive skill while still playing good defense. So coaches use positive and negative reinforcement. And the best reinforcement in hockey is ice time.

Honestly, I'd have Strome in the 1C or 2C spot for the rest of the season. If you're not going to give him top 6 minutes you need to send him down - a place where he was only on a ridiculously torrid scoring pace.

its game over tanner, all the rookies confidence are shattered because of how poorly this team is and unstable environment that the coyotes provide them.

Tanner, I have a question. What does stromes advanced stats for the year thus far say in the NHL? Is there any evidence that he has benefited the team in his reduced role? Or are you basing the fact that you want him to get more ice time on his AHL / OHL performance?

best blog you did in some time cause you didnt try to jam awful full of your self music down your readers throats the whole time.... unless this jem is it?

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um....


tochett sucks

Praise for Patrick Kane.

HE double hockey sticks has froze over.

Tochett is a man management Ass-Hat. Get Ralph Kruger back int the league. Holy smikes.

James, you really might benefit from learning more about sports psychology, and psychology in general. The fact someone is a professional athlete doesn't make them immune to behaviorism.

You don't just hand a player anything based on potential, because it negatively effects their work ethic for the rest of their career, thinking they don't need to continue to fight for ice time. Additionally, players with high end NHL potential have seldom had to put much work into defending because of how much better they were than the opponent. The biggest thing they need to learn is how to use their offensive skill while still playing good defense. So coaches use positive and negative reinforcement. And the best reinforcement in hockey is ice time.
- Antilles

So you, a supposed expert on psychology, think that a player with the work ethic to make the NHL and be a professional athlete is going to suddenly have their work ethic effective for the rest of their life because the coach thought it would be smart to let them get as much ice time as possible?

You don't think that 100% of every second you're playing in the NHL isn't an all or nothing battle to stay their?

And you don't think he already "earned" it by being one of the best players in the world?

My god man, go lecture someone else, this is preposterous.

James, you really might benefit from learning more about sports psychology, and psychology in general. The fact someone is a professional athlete doesn't make them immune to behaviorism.

You don't just hand a player anything based on potential, because it negatively effects their work ethic for the rest of their career, thinking they don't need to continue to fight for ice time. Additionally, players with high end NHL potential have seldom had to put much work into defending because of how much better they were than the opponent. The biggest thing they need to learn is how to use their offensive skill while still playing good defense. So coaches use positive and negative reinforcement. And the best reinforcement in hockey is ice time.
- Antilles

Remember that time Mike Babcock completely ruined the work ethics of Hyman, Matthews, Nylander and Marner by immediately thrusting them into the fire and not forcing them to "earn" ice time by playing for nine minutes per game?

Tanner, I have a question. What does stromes advanced stats for the year thus far say in the NHL? Is there any evidence that he has benefited the team in his reduced role? Or are you basing the fact that you want him to get more ice time on his AHL / OHL performance?
- The_Big_Heen

He scored almost 2 points per game in the AHL and is a skill player. He's also the future of the franchise and one of their three most important players. Of course you gift him ice time because of his pedigree, as virtually all NHL coaches realize.

James, you really might benefit from learning more about sports psychology, and psychology in general. The fact someone is a professional athlete doesn't make them immune to behaviorism.

You don't just hand a player anything based on potential, because it negatively effects their work ethic for the rest of their career, thinking they don't need to continue to fight for ice time. Additionally, players with high end NHL potential have seldom had to put much work into defending because of how much better they were than the opponent. The biggest thing they need to learn is how to use their offensive skill while still playing good defense. So coaches use positive and negative reinforcement. And the best reinforcement in hockey is ice time.
- Antilles

Well said. So many don't understand this, including Mr. Tanner. The worst thing you can do with most young players is hand them ice time without accountability and to expose them to ice time in situations they aren't ready to handle by throwing them to the wolves. There needs to be veteran support and they need to learn that ice time is earned.

Remember that time Mike Babcock completely ruined the work ethics of Hyman, Matthews, Nylander and Marner by immediately thrusting them into the fire and not forcing them to "earn" ice time by playing for nine minutes per game?
- James_Tanner

Every player is an individual and treated accordingly. Clayton Keller is 19 years old and is playing 18+ minutes a game under Tocchett. Domi is 22 and playing 18+ minutes a game. Dvorak is 21 and playing 17+ minutes a game. All under Tocchett.

Remember that time Mike Babcock completely ruined the work ethics of Hyman, Matthews, Nylander and Marner by immediately thrusting them into the fire and not forcing them to "earn" ice time by playing for nine minutes per game?
- James_Tanner

Remember that time nylander played 8 minutes against pittsburgh.


Those were good times.

So you, a supposed expert on psychology, think that a player with the work ethic to make the NHL and be a professional athlete is going to suddenly have their work ethic effective for the rest of their life because the coach thought it would be smart to let them get as much ice time as possible?

You don't think that 100% of every second you're playing in the NHL isn't an all or nothing battle to stay their?

And you don't think he already "earned" it by being one of the best players in the world?

My god man, go lecture someone else, this is preposterous.
- James_Tanner

This post is so ignorant it's difficult to respond to. It's like you think players are magical unicorns that science doesn't apply to. Spoiler alert: they aren't. They are normal people extraordinary skill sets. Just like the rest of the population, some are extremely hard workers all the time. Many work hard only if it is something that matters to them. And a few try to skate by on natural aptitude alone. I mean... do you really think every player is giving 100% every second of every game?

Remember that time Mike Babcock completely ruined the work ethics of Hyman, Matthews, Nylander and Marner by immediately thrusting them into the fire and not forcing them to "earn" ice time by playing for nine minutes per game?
- James_Tanner

Two of those players have seen the 4th line when Babschlong didn't feel the effort was there. Nylander a couple times. What's your argument here, Tanner?

So you, a supposed expert on psychology, think that a player with the work ethic to make the NHL and be a professional athlete is going to suddenly have their work ethic effective for the rest of their life because the coach thought it would be smart to let them get as much ice time as possible?

You don't think that 100% of every second you're playing in the NHL isn't an all or nothing battle to stay their?

And you don't think he already "earned" it by being one of the best players in the world?

My god man, go lecture someone else, this is preposterous.
- James_Tanner

Yikes... Where the hell did that come from lmao

*Yawns*

Still a dumpster fire in Arizona I see.

He scored almost 2 points per game in the AHL and is a skill player. He's also the future of the franchise and one of their three most important players. Of course you gift him ice time because of his pedigree, as virtually all NHL coaches realize.
- James_Tanner

I disagree. AHL and OHL scoring do not always translate into scoring in the big leagues. The correlation is high obviously, but it isn't a direct correlation. I certainly think Keller and not Strome is their future.

This post is so ignorant it's difficult to respond to. It's like you think players are magical unicorns that science doesn't apply to. Spoiler alert: they aren't. They are normal people extraordinary skill sets. Just like the rest of the population, some are extremely hard workers all the time. Many work hard only if it is something that matters to them. And a few try to skate by on natural aptitude alone. I mean... do you really think every player is giving 100% every second of every game?
- Antilles

It's kind of painful and strange that this isn't grasped given all the talk about advanced stats, logic, and reason.

Remember that time Mike Babcock completely ruined the work ethics of Hyman, Matthews, Nylander and Marner by immediately thrusting them into the fire and not forcing them to "earn" ice time by playing for nine minutes per game?

This might be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I know you are a Coyotes blogger but you are a self proclaimed Leaf fan, are you not? Of those four players you listed, 2 of them have been demoted to the fourth line, getting limited minutes as a teaching moment. Mike Babcock wants his players to be professionals, to compete in all situations. If he doesn't think you are, he will replace you with someone who does. Do you really think that his ideal situation is to have Matthews playing with Brown and Hyman (Both of which I am fans of)? Definitely not. But that line, Matthews included, never takes a shift off. Nylander, Marner.... they take shifts off. At times they will float and they will cheat, and they have been getting caught on the wrong end of the play. I appreciate that Mike Babcock is trying to get these guys to learn that you can still be an offensive threat and play in both ends. That is what Rick Tocchet is doing. Years from now maybe you'll appreciate that, but right now, you are completely missing the point.

Every player is an individual and treated accordingly. Clayton Keller is 19 years old and is playing 18+ minutes a game under Tocchett. Domi is 22 and playing 18+ minutes a game. Dvorak is 21 and playing 17+ minutes a game. All under Tocchett.
- MJL

LOL, you don't suppose JT was actually trying to compare Tochett to Babcock do you?

So you, a supposed expert on psychology, think that a player with the work ethic to make the NHL and be a professional athlete is going to suddenly have their work ethic effective for the rest of their life because the coach thought it would be smart to let them get as much ice time as possible?

You don't think that 100% of every second you're playing in the NHL isn't an all or nothing battle to stay their?

And you don't think he already "earned" it by being one of the best players in the world?

My god man, go lecture someone else, this is preposterous.
- James_Tanner

> Be Tanner
> Lecture people on politics
> Know SFA about Politics
> ... or history
> Be random poster
> Offer interesting suggestion
> Be Tanner
> ZOMG QWTF! U IG'NANT! LISTEN 2 ME!@!!!!!


Seriously, you are friggin joke.

I disagree. AHL and OHL scoring do not always translate into scoring in the big leagues. The correlation is high obviously, but it isn't a direct correlation. I certainly think Keller and not Strome is their future.
- The_Big_Heen

I agree that OHL scoring does not always translate to the NHL, but usually AHL scoring does. Im a big Strome doubter, but I was pleasantly surprised when he lit up the AHL. That is not an easy league. Im surprised his AHL scoring hasnt translated to the NHL yet, not sure what the deal is.